The democrats are in disarray, not because of what should be their platform, but because everyone can smell their BS. Case in point – where is Peduto marching with grad students to form a union at pitt? He is missing because Pitt is one of the new untouchables in Pgh progressive quarters. Pitt, CMU, the Heinz family and other foundations can do whatever they want. Union marches and political support for those marches depends on the target, not the idea or the mission of the effort. Welcome to the New Pittsburgh
Because of the way that site is set up, I couldn’t link directly to the picture. You have to scroll down a bit to see Peduto, holding the USW sign with the Cathedral in the background at the march.
Very deceitful. That was a picture from the March for Science. Looks like someone handed him a sign and he held it. He isn’t even in town this summer to be at a march. If i’m wrong, where is a public comment from him supporting this effort?
If that’s deceitful, you need to blame the union organizers. It’s their site and the caption right above Peduto’s head reads “Pitt graduate workers, faculty, and community supporters rally in support of a union.”
why is it that those that always talk about “facts” deflect when it is pointed out their facts are wrong. He was out of town. Plain and simple. Whether the organizers are being deceitful on the website or you are naive and deceitful is irrelevant. the point is the Mayor is silent on this issue and so is gilman. Question is – why?
Yes, I had the wrong march, but that’s neither naive or deceitful. Just a simple error. I also don’t think see why the organizers are being deceitful since Peduto was very openly holding a sign in support of the union. That’s not silence, even if it doesn’t meet your standard.
The reason I confused the March for Science with the other march is I never knew the other march happened. As I’m on campus, I think this is pretty good evidence that maybe the grad students aren’t getting attention because they have yet to make sufficient efforts at publicity among those who are not graduate students.
The problem here is that you present as a simple error. If someone you disagreed with did the same thing would it be deceitful or just a simple errors? I will accept your apology and call it a simple error. We should remember that errors happen. I think meeting a standard is exactly what politics is all about these days. If the union effort here had more power it could pressure Peduto to make public statements. And where is Gilman? He has done or said nothing. This movement will fizzle out. Not because it is any more or less deserving of attention, but because it just isn’t getting the attention it needs. Unfortunately, truth is determined by whether a particular group/movement/policy is supported by the right people and not because it is true. This is why “whataboutery” is actually sometimes the right way to look at the world. In other words, the people with power can always create something for us to focus on when they don’t want to deal with a particular issue. The thing they don’t want dealt with continues on, no matter how much injustice might be involved, while we are forced to focus attention elsewhere. When someone raises the issue it can be dismissed as “whataboutery.”
Here, we have a union effort that, other than one article, is getting very little attention. The question is why? Why no podium where Fitzgerald and Gilman and Peduto speak? Why no lawsuit? Why no editorial in the PG? One of the most useful tools the rich and powerful have is to simply not look at something. The press and politicians can ignore and money can stay away. Then it dies.
MH
I sincerely hope the people actually in charge of organizing the union are better at this kind of thing than you are.
I think it is also safe to say that even Peduto’s most ardent detractors didn’t want Harris or the other guy as mayor.
The democrats are in disarray, not because of what should be their platform, but because everyone can smell their BS. Case in point – where is Peduto marching with grad students to form a union at pitt? He is missing because Pitt is one of the new untouchables in Pgh progressive quarters. Pitt, CMU, the Heinz family and other foundations can do whatever they want. Union marches and political support for those marches depends on the target, not the idea or the mission of the effort. Welcome to the New Pittsburgh
Googling stuff is easy.
Because of the way that site is set up, I couldn’t link directly to the picture. You have to scroll down a bit to see Peduto, holding the USW sign with the Cathedral in the background at the march.
Very deceitful. That was a picture from the March for Science. Looks like someone handed him a sign and he held it. He isn’t even in town this summer to be at a march. If i’m wrong, where is a public comment from him supporting this effort?
If that’s deceitful, you need to blame the union organizers. It’s their site and the caption right above Peduto’s head reads “Pitt graduate workers, faculty, and community supporters rally in support of a union.”
why is it that those that always talk about “facts” deflect when it is pointed out their facts are wrong. He was out of town. Plain and simple. Whether the organizers are being deceitful on the website or you are naive and deceitful is irrelevant. the point is the Mayor is silent on this issue and so is gilman. Question is – why?
Yes, I had the wrong march, but that’s neither naive or deceitful. Just a simple error. I also don’t think see why the organizers are being deceitful since Peduto was very openly holding a sign in support of the union. That’s not silence, even if it doesn’t meet your standard.
The reason I confused the March for Science with the other march is I never knew the other march happened. As I’m on campus, I think this is pretty good evidence that maybe the grad students aren’t getting attention because they have yet to make sufficient efforts at publicity among those who are not graduate students.
The problem here is that you present as a simple error. If someone you disagreed with did the same thing would it be deceitful or just a simple errors? I will accept your apology and call it a simple error. We should remember that errors happen. I think meeting a standard is exactly what politics is all about these days. If the union effort here had more power it could pressure Peduto to make public statements. And where is Gilman? He has done or said nothing. This movement will fizzle out. Not because it is any more or less deserving of attention, but because it just isn’t getting the attention it needs. Unfortunately, truth is determined by whether a particular group/movement/policy is supported by the right people and not because it is true. This is why “whataboutery” is actually sometimes the right way to look at the world. In other words, the people with power can always create something for us to focus on when they don’t want to deal with a particular issue. The thing they don’t want dealt with continues on, no matter how much injustice might be involved, while we are forced to focus attention elsewhere. When someone raises the issue it can be dismissed as “whataboutery.”
Here, we have a union effort that, other than one article, is getting very little attention. The question is why? Why no podium where Fitzgerald and Gilman and Peduto speak? Why no lawsuit? Why no editorial in the PG? One of the most useful tools the rich and powerful have is to simply not look at something. The press and politicians can ignore and money can stay away. Then it dies.
I sincerely hope the people actually in charge of organizing the union are better at this kind of thing than you are.
me too. That is the point. And i hope the Pitt admin isn’t better at their detective work than you.
PWSA will most definitely be privatized. This entire consultant process is a fraud on the public. Just wait. It is playing out in front of our faces.